As aamazing as Keith is, I would never say he's the "Gadd of our generation".
Gadd was a session player. Keith is not. He's not on jingles, not on over 25 albums, and not a multi stylist.
He IS however, an amazing player with an original sound.
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As aamazing as Keith is, I would never say he's the "Gadd of our generation".
Gadd was a session player. Keith is not. He's not on jingles, not on over 25 albums, and not a multi stylist.
He IS however, an amazing player with an original sound.
Not sure if it's been mentioned here before or not, but if you're a Keith Carlock fan, you MUST pick up Oz Noy's "Ha!" album....some phenomenal playing from everyone involved on that disc....
Audiophile has yet to ship me the Oz Noy Live CD I ordered last week, but I'm sure that one will be outstanding as well.....
I think Keith's ideas are pretty fresh in the way he executes them. for some reason, his playing reminds me of Bohnam. Perhaps its the bass drum work.
I think Keith is slowly forging his own niche of style, which I quite like. If you listen to Krantz's albumn w/Danziger, you can see why he picked Carlock to be on Greenwich Mean. The type of playing Keith does in his solo reminds me of Krantz, alot.
The bass player whom I just played with last week at the Jazz Festival in Italy (Chris Tarry) played with Keith Carlock and Oz Noy a few days ago in Boston (Ryles Jazz Club). I didn't go (jet lag--ugh!).
Any Bostonians see the gig?
Steve Michaud
He's no Gadd, that's for sure.
I'm with Steve on him. I want to like him more than I do. He sounds fine, has a decent groove, technique, but is kind of a basher, and doesn't strike me as quite deserving his stellar reputation.
I really want to like Keith, and this clip. I keep coming back to it and giving it a chance but always end up turning it off after a few minutes. I like his left-hand phrasing but overall he doesn't really do anything for me.
"Doesn't deserve his reputation"? I don't want to go off on a different tangent, but...
I guess it depends on what you mean by "reputation". I think there's a lot of hype around certain players, yes. In this day & age, there's so much emphasis on the next big thing or who's the next Gadd or Colaiuta, that combined with the speed at which our culture moves now...it seems like players are so saturated with information, how are we to develop our own sound or our own reputation?
I think Keith has enough skill to get where he is. He has credentials and although I'm sure a majority of his success is based on his 'connections'; he's made the right connections in the industry,obviously. That entitles him to "deserve his reputation".
Did he earn it, sure. Earning a reputation isn't based on pure skill & technique anymore, and I'm no industry analyst, but like I said, it's a combo of who you know, your credentials and your playing(ironically I'd say you could argue playing ability comes last, in order of importance).
Again, it depends on what you define as "repuation". Just a thought.
Keith has decent technique? I would like to see anyone here ghost the left hand like he does at blazing tempos. I went to a place called the 55 bar when I was in NY, and they were playing 16 grooves at around 140bpms and Keiths left hand was incredible. I have never seen anyone use it like that. His groove is not decent. In my opinion it's deep. No one who is merely decent gets hired by Sting and Donald Fagen, and Grover. He may not be a Gadd, but I think you're being too harsh, maybe even a bit jealous. Keith is a monster.
I also saw him in Denver with Sting and he did a fine job. I can't believe the egos on this board. It's ok to say he does nothing for you, but to belittle his feel and ability. Give me a break. Next time Sting calls you for a tour or Yamaha sets up a clinic tour for you, let me know.
If I belittled Keith, I really didn't mean to. I stand by the technique comment. He looks awkward when he plays and I don't think there's anything especially impressive about his technical skills. His grip, excessive motions, bouncing/bashing etc., strike me as a guy who plays well in spite of (not because of) his technique.
What's more, I don't begrudge him his success and I'm not jealous of him. I think he's a good groove player, but I have absolutely no desire to play like he does. I honestly haven't heard that much of him with a band, and I would expect that would be the context in which he would truly shine. The comparison to Gadd was what I meant by his stellar reputation. Sorry, but Gadd's in another league. Keith sounds good, but I don't find him that interesting, or particularly exceptional.
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ghost the left hand like he does at blazing tempos
Other guys who's grip &/or posture looks odd or uncomf to me [altho they are all exceptionally monstrous players in their own] are Covington, Blade, & Sanchez [grip only].
Carlock is a good player, nice groove. I would not put him in league with some of the cats i just mentioned tho, however - JMPO!
But in the end, it's the music that counts...he doesn't fail in this area. I enjoy his playing to a large degree, but he doesn't knock me the F on my A like Vince, Weck, etc. Sorry to always go back to that, but WTH, it often does end up going back to that for me...talking strictly drumming wise. Other than that.efer to the above. [img]wink.gif[/img]
No ego here...I'm no VC or DW either. [img]wink.gif[/img] Anyways, again, i didn't mean to stack him against the all-time heavyweigfht / mighty yardsticks either, cuz that's not what it's always all about either.
Play on [music, that is]. [img]cool.gif[/img]
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